Power vs. Principle: The Unavoidable Conflicts of Ethical Governance

On the 29th June 2025 I took part in a panel discussion on the conflicts we are experiencing in arriving at ethical governance. My conversation with Michelle Constant starts at c26 minutes

https://omny.fm/shows/the-jet-set-breakfast-1/power-vs-principle-the-unavoidable-conflicts-of-ethical-governance